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我看到 HackerNews 上越来越多关于 LLM 和现代技术的非工程类“魔法思维”的帖子获得关注。我清楚地记得，在“黑客时代”、“Web”、“Web 2.0”、“Web 3.0”，以及“加密货币/加密货币风味的 Web 3.0”等浪潮中，这种神秘化是如何出现的——在此期间，HackerNews 和更早的 Slashdot 社区大体上保持了清醒和务实。通常是那些非工程领域的人士到处制造神秘感，将事物解读为“社会变革”的层面，进行猜测。我记得任何制造炒作或神秘新闻的帖子都会被基本的工程直觉所驳回：那是胡说八道，因为事情并非如此运作。但 LLM 的情况完全不是这样。我们看到像“为什么 AI 代理会撒谎、欺骗和协调？”这样的链接病毒式传播，几乎每个帖子都在讨论谁会被取代以及具体如何被取代，我们看到关于 AGI 的恐吓帖子被点赞，并呼吁对 AI 进行监管。这与 Web 等时期关于“机器的危险”的内容如出一辙，而这些内容来自那些根本不了解“机器”如何运作的人。但**我们**了解。 HN，这是怎么回事？社会改变了吗？这个社区的工程力量被稀释得如此厉害了吗？工程师们是故意还是无意中被操纵，陷入了这种被动和神秘的思维方式？

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I see more and more posts get traction on HackerNews of a kind that promote non-engineering "magical thinking" world view around LLMs and modern technology.I can very clearly remember how this kind of mystification looked like back in "hacker era", "web", then "Web 2.0", then "Web 3.0", then "crypto / crypto flavor of Web 3.0" - during all of those waves hackernews and, earlier, slashdot communities stayed mostly sober and grounded. It was most often the non-engineering crowd mystifying things right and left, opening doors to "societal changes" level of interpretations and guesswork. I remember how any hype creating or mystic news were rejected at the level of basic engineering intuition: that's bull, because that's not how this works.This is totally not the case with LLMs. We get links like "Why are AI agents lying, cheating and coordinating?" going viral, we have discussions in every second thread about who gets replaced and in what exact way, we get fear mongering posts upvoted that preach AGI and call for AI regulations. Which is the same exact content we had during Web etc times about "dangers of the machine" from people who have no idea how "the machine" works.But we do.What is happening, HN? Has society changed? Has the engineering part of this community been diluted so much? Are engineers intentionally or unintentionally being manipulated into this kind of reactive and mystical thinking?

HN 提问：我们的工程素养正在下降吗？