HN 提问:我们是否正在以安全之名,将监控常态化?
1 分•作者: dennysora-main•20 天前
我不知道这是否只是我的想象。
近年来,我感觉整个世界正在慢慢朝着这个方向发展:
“为了保护人们,我们需要监控他们。”
作为一个台湾人,我对隔壁中国大陆的这种逻辑非常熟悉。
但不知何故,我感觉越来越多的世界也在朝着这个方向发展。
例如:
* 要求像 Linux 这样重要的开源基础设施项目添加年龄验证。
* 信用卡公司要求日本遵守各种不合理的规定。
* 以人权或安全的名义,通过法院强制企业监控云数据。
* 要求对 VPN 进行控制或监管。
这些只是一些简单的例子。我没有详细的统计数据,但我确实感觉最近出现这种情况的案例越来越多。
它常常披着道德正义的外衣,然后在其之下引入监控和控制。
隔壁的中国大陆一直使用这种逻辑。
官方声称一切都是为了保护和安全。加密受到严格限制。每当推出这些政策时,也有很多人为其辩护。
许多人并没有真正感觉到自己的权利受到侵犯。
直到有一天,限制不断扩大,变成了一种审查制度,几乎任何事情都可能受到惩罚。
在大陆的平台上,如果你试图就某些话题进行更深入的讨论,甚至只是征求意见,很容易被封禁。
现在,幸运的是,世界上仍有许多人不断抵制那些被包装成“道德必要”的各种监控。
但我担心的是:
如果人们慢慢习惯了呢?
如果每个人都对这些事情越来越麻木,就像中国大陆的许多人一样,直到几乎什么都不能说了才意识到发生了什么呢?
到那时,可能已经太晚了。
顺便说一句,中国大陆的安全和身份识别系统基本上是从国家的角度构建的。
所以你会看到很多情况:
* 几乎所有地方都需要手机号码。
* 电子邮件使用不多。
* 主要通过 QQ 或微信进行交流。
* 密码匙不普遍。大多数身份验证基于手机号码。
* 许多服务看起来是匿名的,但实际上与你的真实身份相关联。
许多“安全”机制与国家相关,包括言论和政治控制,而不是用户的个人安全或隐私。
应用程序也喜欢到处投放广告。
一个应用程序试图包办一切。
许多应用程序不断鼓励人们借钱。
即使在手机和其他硬件上,任何可以输入文本的地方都可能包含屏蔽词。
有些话题基本上无法讨论。
习近平就是一个明显的例子。即使是相关的词语或联想,比如“习”或维尼熊,都可能变得敏感。
中国在人工智能方面也非常强大,部分原因是数据量巨大且隐私很少。
有时你会看到中国的人工智能系统说话的方式,感觉非常接近真实的人的思考和说话方式。
我猜测,这部分是因为大量的真实人际对话被用于训练,包括私人对话。
可能还有更多我可以补充的。
但重点并非真的在中国。
我担心的是,有一天,即使在自己的电脑上安装 Linux 也需要实名认证。
这种事情对我来说听起来很可怕。
也许我多虑了,但我确实觉得这个方向变得越来越明显。
我想知道这里的人们怎么看。
你们有同感吗?
你们认为这实际上正在成为一种更广泛的趋势吗?
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I don’t know if this is just my imagination.<p>In recent years, I feel like the whole world is slowly moving toward this direction:<p>“Because we need to protect people, we need to monitor them.”<p>As a Taiwanese person, I’m very familiar with this kind of logic from the CCP next door.<p>But for some reason, I feel like more and more of the world is also moving in this direction.<p>For example:<p>* Asking an important open-source infrastructure project like Linux to add age verification.
* Credit card companies asking Japan to follow all kinds of unreasonable rules.
* Using courts to force companies, in the name of human rights or safety, to monitor cloud data.
* Requiring VPNs to be controlled or regulated.<p>These are just some simple examples. I don’t have detailed statistics, but I really feel like there have been more and more cases like this recently.<p>It is often wrapped in something morally justified, and then surveillance and control are introduced underneath it.<p>The CCP next door has always used this kind of logic.<p>Officially, everything is for protection and safety. Encryption is heavily restricted. Whenever these policies are introduced, there are also many people defending them.<p>Many people do not really feel that their own rights are being violated.<p>Until one day, the restrictions keep expanding and become something like a censorship system where almost anything can be punished.<p>On mainland Chinese platforms, if you try to have a deeper discussion about certain topics, or even just ask for opinions, it is very easy to get banned.<p>Right now, fortunately, there are still many people around the world who keep pushing back against different kinds of surveillance that are packaged as “morally necessary.”<p>But what I’m afraid of is this:<p>What if people slowly become used to it?<p>What if everyone becomes more and more insensitive to these things, like many people in mainland China, and only realizes what happened when almost nothing can be said anymore?<p>At that point, it may already be too late.<p>As a side note, the security and identity system in mainland China is basically built more from the perspective of the state.<p>So you can see many things like:<p>* A phone number is required almost everywhere.
* Email is not used very much.
* Communication is mainly through QQ or WeChat.
* Passkeys are not common. Most identity verification is based on phone numbers.
* Many services look anonymous, but are actually tied to your real identity.<p>A lot of the “security” mechanisms are related to the state, including speech and political control, rather than the personal security or privacy of the user.<p>Apps also like to put advertisements everywhere.<p>One app tries to do everything.<p>Many apps constantly encourage people to borrow money.<p>Even on phones and other hardware, anything that allows you to type text may potentially contain blocked words.<p>Some topics basically cannot be discussed.<p>Xi Jinping is one obvious example. Even related words or associations, such as “Xi” or Winnie the Pooh, can become sensitive.<p>China is also very strong in AI, partly because there is so much data and not much privacy.<p>Sometimes you can see Chinese AI systems that speak in a way that feels very similar to how real people think and talk.<p>My guess is that this is partly because a lot of real human-to-human conversations have been used for training, including private conversations.<p>There is probably much more I could add.<p>But the main point is not really China.<p>What I am worried about is that one day, even installing Linux on my own computer may require real-name verification.<p>That kind of thing sounds terrifying to me.<p>Maybe I’m overthinking it, but I really feel like the direction is becoming more obvious.<p>I’m curious what people here think.<p>Do you feel the same way?<p>Do you think this is actually becoming a broader trend?