Ask HN:我们社会是否会允许大型语言模型公司攫取所有价值?
7 分•作者: randomdev123•23 天前
我不算年轻,但也不算老。我曾是个孩子,以为成年人早已洞悉一切,我可以高枕无忧。
随着年龄的增长,我逐渐意识到,房间里早已没有“成年人”了,或者说,我就是那个“成年人”,而我们和所有其他成年人一样,其实对任何事情都一无所知,我们谁也不知道。
我认为 LLM 是一项有用的技术。但自从 LLM 出现以来,我一直在想象如果我们把 LLM 推向其逻辑终点,世界会变成什么样子。在我看来,尽管 LLM 有诸多好处,但它是一把过于锋利的剑,我们都无法驾驭。这不会是阳光明媚、彩虹满天的景象。
以下是我的一些思考,这些都仅仅是社会影响,甚至还没有考虑到环境影响:
* 年轻人失去了职业发展阶梯。资本主义不再奏效。我们有了永久的底层阶级。甚至可能在全球范围内发生社会动荡,暴力将成为常态。
* 人们停止创作音乐,停止写博客,停止做实验或其他酷炫的事情并在互联网上分享,因为 LLM 公司可以毫无顾忌地盗用这些内容,而无需支付任何回报。
* 万事万物都趋于平庸。我们有 Suno 这种东西,声称人们不喜欢创作音乐的过程,因为它太枯燥了,所以我们只需通过提示词来完成。伯克利音乐学院甚至开设了人工智能音乐课程。是的。人们声称消费平庸的东西是可以接受的,因为我们日常生活中不需要最高水平的代码库、设计或音乐。
* 人们停止社交,停止与他人建立联系。例如,艺术是人们连接他人艺术的一种方式。软件工程涉及大量的沟通,与其他工程师讨论权衡。但现在你可以通过提示词来解决问题,甚至像写邮件这样简单的事情。
* 世界上创造的所有价值(以金钱衡量)都被 LLM 的所有者/生产者吸走了。哦,你创作了一首美妙的音乐?太糟糕了,它现在是我的了。哦,你创作了一件艺术品?它现在是我的艺术品,我会向社会收费来复制我刚刚获得的这件艺术品。哦,你拥有一块土地?我可以买下它,对我来说钱很便宜,毕竟我吸走了社会创造的所有价值。除了 LLM 训练/研究,没有其他价值值得金钱补偿。这些“研究人员”不需要练习音乐,不需要练习艺术,不需要练习法律,不需要练习编程,他们只需要成为 LLM 研究人员/生产者/所有者,就能获得其他职业创造的所有价值。
* 以上所有原因导致经济停滞。人们不再觉得有必要付钱给其他人,因为一切都可以通过提示词来完成。
* 以上所有原因导致进步停滞,甚至倒退。
还有什么?
如果这真的是 LLM 的逻辑终点,那么在我看来,这一代人的使命就是摧毁人工智能,正如 Ronnie Chieng 所说,这并非危言耸听。
也许我是一个 LLM 悲观论者,但 HN 的朋友们,请帮帮我吧,因为我只是一个愚蠢的成年人。
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I am not that young, but I'm not that old. I used to be a child, and thought that the adults already figured things out and I can be at peace.<p>One of my realization of me getting older is the realization that there are no adults in the room anymore, or that I am now, an adult, who, also the same like other adults, we actually don't know shit about anything, none of us do.<p>I think LLM is a useful technology. But since the dawn of LLMs, I've been trying to imagine what the world will look like if we take LLM to its logical conclusion. It seems to me, despite of all its benefits, LLM is a sword too sharp for all of us to handle. Its not gonna be sunshines and rainbows.<p>A couple things I'm thinking about below, and these are all just societal impact, not even environmental ones:<p>- Young people lost their career ladders. Capitalism doesn't work anymore. We have permanent underclass. And maybe worldwide scale societal unrest, in which violence will be the norm.<p>- People stop creating music, stop writing blogs, stop doing experiments or any other cool stuffs and share it on the internet because LLM companies can just pirate the shit out of it without paying anything back.<p>- Mediocrity in everything. We have this Suno shit claiming that people don't like the process of creating music because its so tedious so lets just prompt it away. Berklee has a class to make AI music. Yup. People claim that its okay to consume mediocre stuffs, because we don't need the highest grade of codebase, of design, of music for our day to day life.<p>- People stop socializing and connecting to another human beings. For example, art is a way for people to connect to other's art. Software engineering is a lot of communication, discussing tradeoffs with other engineers. But now you can just prompt your way away, even things as simple as writing emails.<p>- All the values (measured by money) created in this world is sucked by the LLM owners/producers. Oh you have a beautiful music you just created? Too bad, its mine now. Oh, you just created an art? Its my art now, and I will charge society money to recreate this art that I just acquired. Oh, you have a land somewhere? I can just buy it, money is cheap for me, after all I suck all the values that society created. There are no other values worthy of monetary compensation other than LLM training/research. These "researchers" don't need to practice music, don't need to practice art, don't need to practice law, don't need to practice coding, they can just be an LLM researchers/producers/owners and they get all the values that the other professions created.<p>- All the above caused economic stagnation. People don't feel the need to pay other human beings, because everything is just a prompt away.<p>- All the above caused stagnation of progress, or even winding down of progress.<p>What else?<p>If truly this is the logical conclusion of LLM, then it seems to me that the mission of this generation is to destroy AI as Ronnie Chieng said is not really off the mark.<p>Maybe I am an LLM doomer, but help me out here HN, because I'm just a dumb adult.