我们因为一个零收入的副业项目,收到了 6 万美元的税务罚款。

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2020年,在疫情肆虐期间,我和几个朋友决定,显然世界需要<i>另一个</i>演示工具。<p>我们的痛点很简单:我们讨厌和PowerPoint/Google Slides较劲。我们只想写内容,然后得到漂亮的幻灯片,而不用费心去调整字体、字号、对齐方式、颜色,以及19种不同的“标题+副标题”布局,而这些布局看起来都差强人意。<p>所以我们构建了一个原型:一个微型的点击式幻灯片生成器。然后我们觉得点击太慢了,就把它变成了一个完整的markdown转幻灯片工具。输入markdown,输出漂亮的幻灯片。简单。<p>然后,就像每个优秀的副业项目一样,我们开始添加各种功能:图片上传、通过API生成PDF、AI集成等等,以及越来越多没人真正要求的功能……<p>在某个阶段,我们正处于“我们绝对是下一个独角兽”的巅峰状态,通过Stripe Atlas在美国注册了一家公司。为了显得更认真,我们给自己发行了10,000,000股股票。因为真正的初创公司都是这么做的,对吧?<p>然后我们又开始愉快地发布功能,但……并不愉快地没有发布任何付费计划。<p>(快进大约一年半)<p>有一天,一位同事给我们发消息:<p>&gt; “嘿,联邦门户网站说我们因为没有提交纳税申报单,欠了6万美元的罚款。”<p>我们都经历了通常只在生产数据库崩溃时才会出现的全身发热浪潮。<p>(给读者的提示:我们最初来自欧盟,在那里,如果一家公司没有收入,就不需要缴纳任何税款;如果你收到罚款,通常最多也就几百欧元)<p>因此,我们学到了一件有趣的事情:你发行的股票数量会影响各种费用和罚款的计算方式。在你点击10,000,000之前知道这一点是很好的。<p>我们花了几天几夜的时间阅读IRS文件,给人们发邮件,试图理解我们是否刚刚让一个甚至没有定价页面的项目破产了。<p>最后,解决方案非常无聊:<p>1)我们提交了一份零收入的纳税申报单。<p>2)在线系统重新计算了一切。<p>3)我们那令人恐惧的6万美元罚款变成了大约1500美元,我们支付了这笔钱。<p>危机算是解除了。<p>然后,第二年年底临近,我们都有同样的想法:“我们再也不想经历这种事了。”<p>从技术上讲,我们可能可以直接忽略这家公司,让它慢慢地走向法律上的死亡。但我们是那些喜欢“把事情做好”的烦人的人,所以我们又花了大约2000美元请人帮助我们以正确的方式关闭了这家公司。<p>我们“我们绝对是创始人了”时刻的总账单:大约3500美元,大量的压力,以及0美元的收入。<p>在那之后,我们基本上让这个项目休眠了。每个人都有自己的生意,而这已经是一个足够痛苦的教训了。<p>除了……我们从未停止使用它。<p>在内部,我们一直用它来生成所有的幻灯片。老实说?输出效果仍然很好。它速度快,看起来不错,而且一旦你习惯了它,再回去使用Google Slides或Keynote,感觉就像在Excel中设计海报一样。<p>最近,AI帮助我们重构了一部分代码,完善了一些东西,并添加了我们一直想要但从未有精力实现的功能。<p>所以现在这个项目又在slidepicker.com上复活了。<p>从这一切中得出的两个教训是:<p>1. 在你至少有一个付费客户之前,不要注册公司(尤其是在另一个国家)。最好等到这些客户产生稳定的收入后再注册。<p>2. 如果你确实注册了公司,在兴奋地在表格中输入“10,000,000股”之前,请咨询一位真正了解税务的人。<p>如果你只想通过markdown获得漂亮的幻灯片,而不想意外地快速通关美国的公司法,你可以在slidepicker.com上试用一下。
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In 2020, in the middle of COVID, a few friends and I decided that obviously the world needed <i>another</i> presentation tool.<p>Our pain point was simple: we hated fighting with PowerPoint&#x2F;Google Slides. We just wanted to write content and get nice slides without babysitting fonts, sizes, alignment, colors, and 19 different &quot;Title + Subtitle&quot; layouts that all somehow looked bad.<p>So we built a prototype: a tiny click-together slide builder. Then we decided clicking was too slow and turned it into a full markdown-to-slides thing. Write markdown in, pretty slides out. Easy.<p>Then, like every good side project, we started bolting on features: Image uploads, PDF generation via API, AI integration and more and more stuff nobody had actually asked for....<p>Somewhere in there, in peak &quot;we&#x27;re definitely the next unicorn&quot; mode, we incorporated a US company through Stripe Atlas. To feel extra serious, we issued ourselves 10,000,000 shares. Because that&#x27;s what real startups do, right?<p>Then we went back to happily shipping features and... not so happily not. shipping a single paid plan.<p>(fast-forward about a year and a half)<p>One day a colleague messages us:<p>&gt; &quot;Hey, the federal portal says we owe $60,000 in penalties for not filing a tax return.&quot;<p>We all experienced the same full-body heat wave usually reserved for production database drops.<p>(Note for readers: We are originally from the EU, where if a company has no income, it doesn&#x27;t pay any taxes and if you receive a fine, it is usually a few hundred euros max)<p>And so we learned something interesting: the number of shares you issue can influence how various fees and penalties are calculated. Which is nice to know BEFORE you click 10,000,000.<p>We spent days and nights reading IRS docs, emailing people, trying to understand if we&#x27;d just bankrupted a project that didn&#x27;t even have a pricing page.<p>In the end, the solution was hilariously boring:<p>1) We filed a zero-revenue tax return.<p>2) The online system recalculated everything.<p>3) Our terrifying $60k penalty turned into something around $1500, which we paid.<p>Crisis kind of averted.<p>Then the end of the next year approached and we all had the same thought: &quot;We&#x27;re not doing this again.&quot;<p>Technically, we probably could have just ignored the company and let it die a slow legal death. But we&#x27;re those annoying people who like things &quot;done properly&quot;, so we paid roughly another $2,000 to have someone help us shut the company down the right way.<p>Total bill for our &quot;we&#x27;re definitely founders now&quot; moment: aprox. $3,500 and a lot of stress and $0 in revenue.<p>After that, we basically put the project to sleep. Everyone had their own businesses, and this was a sufficiently painful lesson.<p>Except... we never stopped using it.<p>Internally, we kept generating all our slides with it. And honestly? The output still feels great. It&#x27;s fast, it looks good, and once you get used to it, going back to Google Slides or Keynote feels like trying to design posters in Excel.<p>Recently, AI helped us refactor a bunch of the code, polish things, and add features we always wanted but never had the energy to implement.<p>So now the project is alive again at slidepicker.com.<p>The two takeaways from all this:<p>1. Don&#x27;t incorporate (especially in another country), until you have at least one paying customer. It may be better to wait until these customers generate a stable income.<p>2. If you do incorporate, talk to someone who actually understands taxes before you excitedly type &quot;10,000,000 shares&quot; into a form.<p>And if you just want nice slides from markdown without accidentally speedrunning US corporate law, you can play with it at slidepicker.com.