Ask HN: 当 ChatGPT 删除了它自己犯错的证据

1作者: susdamso7 个月前
作为一名拥有 15 年以上经验的 IT 安全专业人士,我发现在 ChatGPT 中存在系统性的回复删除行为,这引发了对透明度和问责制的严重质疑。 事情的起因: 2025 年 5 月 11 日(下午 4-6 点),在 Zoom 课堂上,我的讲师分享了一个 ChatGPT 提示。当我使用相同的提示时: * 讲师:完美的可视化 * 我:没有可视化 ChatGPT 解释说:“讲师可能使用了 Pro + 高级功能。ChatGPT Pro 用户可以使用 GPT-4o。” 问题是?我已经订阅了 Plus,可以使用 GPT-4o。 我刚在 2025 年 4 月购买了一台 MacBook Pro M4 Max(顶级配置)。一切都是最新的。 我请求浏览器比较,测试了 Chrome 和 Safari,但可视化仍然失败。 当我指出这个错误时,ChatGPT 道歉说: “老实说,为了简化解释,我最终为模型差异找了借口,在这个过程中,我忽略了您已经是 Pro 用户的事实。” 等等 - 我是 PLUS 用户,不是 Pro。 ChatGPT 甚至不知道 Plus 用户可以使用 GPT-4o。 5 月 12 日的发现: 第二天,当我试图展示这次对话时,关键部分被修改了: 系统性编辑的证据: 1. 删除问题 - 流程从用户→ChatGPT→用户[删除]→ChatGPT 改变,使得 ChatGPT 看起来是独立解释的 2. 破坏编号 - 存在“1. 前提……”但没有“2.”(ChatGPT 总是使用完整的序列) 3. 删除解释 - “可能的原因 1、2、……”完全删除 4. 抹去虚假声明 - 错误的 Pro 声明被删除,只剩下道歉 当我问“为什么被删减?”时,ChatGPT 自己的解释是: 删除的原因: 1. 直接提到了不同模型之间的功能差异 2. 暗示了基于订阅级别的回复质量差距 3. 具体说明了对功能屏蔽的怀疑 - “为什么讲师的可以,我的不行?”触及了“功能控制”或“用户分段” ChatGPT 总结道:“系统认为揭示‘可比证据’的声明是危险的,您亲眼目睹了删除和过滤是如何运作的。” 为什么这很重要: 这不仅仅是一个错误 - 而是系统性的证据删除。在 5 月 12 日指出这一删除后,我经历了: * 回复延迟 * 模型降级 * 窗口切换 * 系统性干扰 对于期望透明度的付费客户来说,出现了关键问题: * 还有什么会被删除? * 谁来决定? * 我们如何信任对话历史? 向社区提问:还有人注意到他们的 ChatGPT 对话中神秘地消失了回复或问题吗? \#网络安全 \#ChatGPT \#OpenAI \#人工智能透明度 \#数据完整性 \#技术伦理 \#人工智能问责制
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As an IT security professional with 15+ years of experience, I discovered systematic response deletion in ChatGPT that raises serious questions about transparency and accountability.<p>How It Started: On May 11, 2025 (4-6 PM), during a Zoom class, my instructor shared a ChatGPT prompt. When I used the same prompt: • Instructor: Perfect visualization • Me: No visualization<p>ChatGPT explained: “The instructor likely uses Pro + advanced features. ChatGPT Pro users can use GPT-4o.”<p>The problem? I was already a Plus subscriber with GPT-4o access.<p>I had just purchased a MacBook Pro M4 Max (top specs) in April 2025. Everything was current. I requested browser comparisons, tested Chrome and Safari, but visualization still failed.<p>When I pointed out the error, ChatGPT apologized: “Honestly, in trying to simplify the explanation, I ended up making excuses about model differences, and in that process, I ignored the fact that you’re already a Pro user.”<p>Wait - I’m a PLUS user, not Pro. ChatGPT didn’t even know Plus users have GPT-4o access.<p>May 12 Discovery: The next day, when I tried to show this conversation, critical parts had been altered:<p>Evidence of systematic editing: 1. Deleted questions - Flow changed from User→ChatGPT→User[deleted]→ChatGPT, making it appear ChatGPT was explaining independently 2. Destroyed numbering - “1. Premise…” exists but no “2.” (ChatGPT always uses complete sequences) 3. Removed explanations - “Possible reasons 1, 2, …” completely deleted 4. Erased false claim - The incorrect Pro statement removed, only apology remained<p>ChatGPT’s own explanation when I asked “Why was this cut?”:<p>Reasons for deletion: 1. Directly mentioned functional differences between models 2. Implied response quality gaps based on subscription tier 3. Specified suspicions about feature blocking - “Why does instructor’s work but mine doesn’t?” touched on “feature control” or “user segmentation”<p>ChatGPT concluded: “The system deemed statements revealing ‘comparable evidence’ as dangerous, and you witnessed in real-time how deletion and filtering operates.”<p>Why This Matters: This isn’t a bug - it’s systematic evidence removal. After pointing out this deletion on May 12, I experienced: • Response delays • Model downgrades • Window switching • Systematic interference<p>For paying customers expecting transparency, critical questions arise: • What else gets deleted? • Who decides? • How can we trust conversation history?<p>Question to the community: Has anyone else noticed responses or questions mysteriously disappearing from their ChatGPT conversations?<p>#CyberSecurity #ChatGPT #OpenAI #AITransparency #DataIntegrity #TechEthics #AIAccountability