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这是一篇关于生牛奶的文章，来自一个据称信誉良好的来源：https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/26/well/eat/health-myths-dairy.html 问题在于，我们能否察觉到试图说服我们得出某个结论，而不是进行开放讨论的企图。有几个迹象表明存在宣传，其中一个突出的是使用各种技巧来“引导”我们的思维，以控制叙事。关键事件是：“她说，这可能会破坏牛奶中少量特定营养物质，但这不足以对它的营养价值产生真正的影响。” 我们应该关注的地方是“营养物质”。嗯……这是关于牛奶的实质性问题吗？我们可以思考一下这个问题，为什么大多数建议都建议母亲母乳喂养孩子。如果巴氏杀菌牛奶与母乳的区别仅仅在于“少量营养物质”，为什么会这样呢？事实上，我们没有发现任何实质性的建议要求母亲在给孩子喂奶前对母乳进行巴氏杀菌。当然，还有其他原因不推荐这样做，但如果存在安全问题，在一个合理的讨论中，人们会期望这个问题得到解决。也许我们可能看到的是某种努力，试图将讨论限制在“营养物质”上。生牛奶中是否可能存在其他成分，而这些成分实际上会受到巴氏杀菌的影响，从而影响讨论？我在这里并不是要支持或反对生牛奶。相反，我感兴趣的是如何识别宣传。我个人认为关于生牛奶的讨论已经变得耸人听闻。但这种“定向”讨论让我想知道，谁从中受益？为什么《纽约时报》会产生如此粗糙的推理？我越来越意识到有人试图用各种技巧来“引导”讨论，并且想知道是否其他人也看到了同样的事情。

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Here is an article about raw milk from a supposedly reputable source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/26/well/eat/health-myths-dairy.htmlThe question is whether we can detect an attempt to persuade us of a conclusion as opposed to having an open discussion.There are several indicators or propaganda and one prominent one is the use of techniques to "guide" our thinking. To control the narrative. The significant event is this: "may destroy a small amount of certain nutrients in milk, she said, it’s not enough to make a real difference in how nutritious it is."The place we are supposed to look is "nutrients". Hmmm. Is that the substantial issue about milk? We can think about this by wondering why most recommendations for mothers are to breast feed their children. Why would this be the case if pasteurized milk only differed from mother's milk by "a small amount of nutrients"? In fact we find no substantial recommendation that mothers pasteurize their milk before feeding it to children. There are certainly other reasons this is not recommended, but still if there is an issue of safety, one would expect in a reasonable discussion that this issue would be addressed.Perhaps what we are possibly is some effort to limit the discussion to "nutrients". Are there possibly other components of raw milk that are in fact affected by pasteurization would affect the discussion?I am not arguing here for or against raw milk. Instead I am interested in how to detect propaganda. I personally believe the raw milk discussion has become sensationalist. But this kind of "directed" discussion makes me wonder cui bono? And why is the NYT producing such shoddy reasoning?I am increasingly aware of efforts to "guide" discussion with a range of techniques and wondering if other people see the same thing.

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