Ask HN: 为什么 x86 架构还没赶上苹果 M 系列?

3作者: stephenheron9 个月前
你好, 我日常使用的主力机是首发购买的 M1 Pro,这是我买过的最好的科技产品之一,即使到现在,它也能轻松应对我抛给它的任何任务。我每天的工作负载通常是同时运行安卓模拟器、iOS 模拟器和多个 Docker 容器,而且我从没听到过风扇的声音,电池续航有所下降,但仍然非常可观。 我想要一台新的个人笔记本电脑,一直在纠结是买 MacBook Air 还是选择搭载 Linux 的 Framework 13。我想尝试学习一些新东西,所以选择了 Framework,但我必须承认,我有点后悔了。 M1 发布于 2020 年,而我购买的 Ryzen AI 340 是 AMD 最新的 2025 芯片之一,所以 AMD 有 5 年的额外研发时间,我本以为它们在电池效率和散热方面能接近 M1。 Ryzen 采用了台积电 N4P 制程,而 M1 采用的是较旧的 N5 制程。我找到了台积电的新闻稿,其中展示了新制程的性能/效率提升:“与 N5 相比,N4P 为用户带来了 +11% 的性能提升或 22% 的功耗降低。除此之外,N4P 还能为用户提供比 N5 高 6% 的晶体管密度。” 我非常失望,使用 Framework 的感觉就像在使用旧款基于英特尔的 Mac。如果我在 Chrome 中打开太多标签页,我能感觉到笔记本电脑底部变热,打开 YouTube 视频,风扇通常就会开始转动。 为什么 AMD/英特尔一直没能赶上?x86 架构真的无法与 ARM 架构匹敌吗?我们什么时候才能看到 x86 笔记本电脑芯片在效率/散热方面与 M1 匹敌?! 公平地说,我还没在 Framework 上试过 Windows,也许是我的 Linux 设置效率不高。 谢谢, 斯蒂芬
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Hi,<p>My daily workhorse is a M1 Pro that I purchased on release date, It has been one of the best tech purchases I have made, even now it really deals with anything I throw at it. My daily work load is regularly having a Android emulator, iOS simulator and a number of Dockers containers running simultaneously and I never hear the fans, battery life has taken a bit of a hit but it is still very respectable.<p>I wanted a new personal laptop, and I was debating between a MacBook Air or going for a Framework 13 with Linux. I wanted to lean into learning something new so went with the Framework and I must admit I am regretting it a bit.<p>The M1 was released back in 2020 and I bought the Ryzen AI 340 which is one of the newest 2025 chips from AMD, so AMD has 5 years of extra development and I had expected them to get close to the M1 in terms of battery efficiency and thermals.<p>The Ryzen is using a TSMC N4P process compared to the older N5 process, I managed to find a TSMC press release showing the performance&#x2F;efficiency gains from the newer process: “When compared to N5, N4P offers users a reported +11% performance boost or a 22% reduction in power consumption. Beyond that, N4P can offer users a 6% increase in transistor density over N5”<p>I am sorely disappointed, using the Framework feels like using an older Intel based Mac. If I open too many tabs in Chrome I can feel the bottom of the laptop getting hot, open a YouTube video and the fans will often spin up.<p>Why haven’t AMD&#x2F;Intel been able to catch up? Is x86 just not able to keep up with the ARM architecture? When can we expect a x86 laptop chip to match the M1 in efficiency&#x2F;thermals?!<p>To be fair I haven’t tried Windows on the Framework yet it might be my Linux setup being inefficient.<p>Cheers, Stephen